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Kites
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Peter Lynn
Scorpion kite launch - I
have a Peter Lynn Scorpion and have kite collapsing
during my launches. |
- Make sure the air inlets are not
stuck behind the webbing inside
- Proper pre-inflation: this
means as much as air in the kite before
launch, this is REALLY important
- Try ‘braking’ the kite while
launching if it launches to fast. With
braking we mean pull in the bar to stall
the kite a little bit and when it wants
to (tip/center) collapse stall the kite.
This will prevent the collapsing. After
that slowly let bar go and the kite will
start climbing up in the air again. Let
it go slowly and if it tends to collapse
again, pull the bar. However with enough
pre-inflation this process should be a
lot easier and their should almost be no
need in stalling the kite.
- If the break lines are too tight
with under inflated kite, the kite might
center collapse. If this is the case,
loosen the break lines and walk forward,
but not too fast and far that the tips
want to collapse
- Push all the air to the tips before
launch to make them stable
- Stable tips are really important
during launch
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Peter Lynn Twin Skins not inflating fully - I
have a new Peter Lynn Venom II/Scorpion and have
found the launching difficult |
There have been a small number of instances
where the
Peter Lynn Twin Skins (Venom-II and
Scorpion) kites were difficult to launch due
to under inflation. In some cases these Twin
Skin kites would not fly properly.
What could have happened is that the valves
of the kite have become stuck behind the 1st
webbing (webbing closest to the leading
edge). The webbing will cut off the air
intakes and almost no
air can get in the kite. If the kite doesn’t
fly properly right out of the bag due to
under inflation, please make sure all the 5
air intakes are not stuck behind the
webbing, and everything will be ok again.
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The first photo below shows the correct
position of the air intakes. |

Correct Position above |
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The next photo below shows the incorrect position of
the air intakes. |

Incorrect Position above |
The above
photos are taken from inside the kite,
through the deflate zipper with the kite on
its back - the way like you would launch the
kite from the beach. The middle air intake
is easily done by going with your hand
through the deflate zipper, the others you
will have to do them from outside the kite.
On behalf of our suppliers, please accept
our apologies for the inconvenience caused
by this.
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New Kite -
Line Lengths - I recently purchase a new
Pepper and the kite flew to one side. |
Please read the Instruction and Safety Manual
that came with your kite. For a four line set,
always make sure both top lines are equal, and both
rear lines are equal. Make sure the difference
between top and rear lines is no more than two
centimeters. Please do not fly any four line kite
without the above line setup or you will not have
full control. The kite, or other object in the area
of the kite could become damaged without full
control of the kite. From our experience we
have found that all sleeved and knotted line sets
need an adjustment before flying the kite.
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Repairing a Twin
Skin - I own a Peter Lynn Arc 840 (old
version, 5 years old) and I got a tear in the
Chikara at the front right connection. It is just
the fabric which is torn. The internal lines are in
good shape so I just need a patch. |
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From the Arc manual...
"The Arc is constructed with Chikara, a light
weight, hi-tenacity rip stop nylon with a special
water repellant coating. Inside the kite you will
find low stretch Dyneema reinforcing lines and gauze
vents in the tips of each profile to provide evenly
distributed inflation. The tips are reinforced with
EXEL-strong carbon fibre tubes in Cordura sleeves.
Construction and
Repairs All panels are taped and sewn for
strength and water proofing. Line loads are taken
into the Arc via Dyneema cording sewn to the inner
surfaces of the upper and lower skins. For spanwise
strength there is a 300 kgm cord sewn from tip to
tip. For small puncture type holes, clear mylar
repair film works very well and is always colour
matched. For repairing structural damage open the
trailing edge (unpick the sewing thread without
damaging the ripstop sailcloth), stick fabric
patches on using double sided adhesive tape and then
over sew. The tape's adhesive layer improves joint
strength and seals the stitching. Always use new
tape to stick the trailing edge before re-sewing but
it isn't necessary to also remove any old tape that
is still in place.."
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Tensylon Line - Can the
Tensylon Line you sell be made in a tube form? |
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The simple answer is no.
It is important to
understand what Tensylon is. Tensylon is made from
ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene. Spectra
and Dyneema are also made from ultra-high weight
polyethylene, however the polyethylene used in
Tenyslon is about 100 to 1000 times higher than that
used for Dyneema and Spectra. The reason there is a
range is because the polyethylene in it’s raw form
is a powder and the chemical reaction that makes it
generates a range of molecular weight particles.
This powder is then subjected to extreme pressures
and tightly controlled temperatures as it is passed
through rollers to make a very thin sheet that is
then slit to form fibers and then the fibers are
woven into what you see. If the temperature is
raised even slightly beyond the threshold the
polyethylene drops in molecular weight and becomes
closer to Dyneema and Spectra in abraision
resistance and strength and if you continue to raise
the temperature it becomes normal polyethylene. If
you try to make it in a tube there are a number of
problems: the greatest being how do you apply
sufficient pressure while making a tube form and
secondly if you could how do you keep the
temperature throughout the material at the critical
point so that the molecules bond together without
turning into standard polyethylene.
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Spars - Cutting, Attaching, Connecting -
Tips for designing your kite frame. I recently
purchased a pair of single piece spars so that I can
use the folding spars when I'm on vacation with my
Twin Skins or as a backup. How can I cut the spars
to the right length? |
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Spars - Cutting
Cutting can be done by
using a fine toothed saw, most commonly a metal saw.
To avoid splitting it is preferred to tape (masking
tape) the spar before cutting. Be careful with the
carbon dust as it can damage electric equipment. |
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Spars - Attaching
Connectors and fittings
can be glued on the carbon spar. For plastic
connectors we recommend cyanoacrylatic glue, also
know as superglue or crazy glue. For mounting
aluminum and brass connectors, two-component epoxy
glue is the strongest and best to use. Even
electricians tape works very well to fix a joint and
this make s it easy to replace the connector |
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Spars - Connecting
The best way to connect spars is the combination
between an outside ferrule (brass or aluminum) and
inside ferrule (RCF or RF). If this is not possible
- use the outside ferrule. Please remember that a
connection will always be the weak link in the kite
frame; we prefer to use spars without connections.
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Spar Length Comparisons
of Compact sticks used with Twin Skins (per
spec) |
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One piece replacement spars come in 100/125/150cm
lengths. These are the Exel carbonfibre tube Strong
10 9.9mm outer/7.5mm inner diameter from the parts
list. The vertical grey bars are the stock 1 piece
spar sets that we have. Choose the spar length to
the right of your kite. For example, if you need a
one piece compact stick replacement spar for a
Phantom 12m (116cm), order a 125cm spar and cut it
to fit the spar pocket.
Updated 2006.Mar.27
For complete kite specifications, check their
respective links
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Venom 10 |
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Spar Length appro.x formula ((n*42)-(n*8))+extra,
where n=number
of full length 42cm spar pieces, ie.
105.5=((2*42)-(2*8))+37.5, the reason to
subtract the (n*8)
is you lose 5cm on the non-sleeved end and
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Phantom 9 |
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Phantom 12 |
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Early Arcs (Standard, F-Arc, Guerilla) were
designed with one piece full length spars.
As a replacement, you can either use a full
length cut spars or an equivalent folding
spar and cut to size. It's best to order a
bit longer than you need and cut to fit your
pocket as it may have stretched slightly.
Cut it using a hack saw and sand to finish
the roughness. Make sure to use the rubber
caps on the ends to protect the spar ends
with the fabric. |
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I've used foils for a
long time and would like to know
how the sizes
compare to Peter Lynn Twin Skins (TS). |
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Foils traditionally
perform differently than TSs. You'll need a larger
TS than a foil, but the depowerability of the TS
will give it a larger window. In the past you may
have needed 4-5 foils to cover the wind ranges. With
the depowerability of the TSs, you may only need 3
TSs.
| Foil Size |
Equivalent Twin Skin Size |
| 2-3
m2 |
Phantom 6 /
Guerilla-II 9 |
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4-5.5
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Phantom
12
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Phantom
15 /
Guerilla-II 15 |
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Note: most
popular size for winter, also much of this
comparison depends on riders ability, and
terrain |
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Comparing LEIs
to Venoms on the low end of the wind range (source) |
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LEI
equivalent |
| Venom 19 |
Inflatable
16-17 |
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Inflatable
14 |
| Venom 13 |
Inflatable
11-11.5 |
| Venom 10 |
Inflatable
8-9 |
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I'm looking for a new
supplier of C-line (Dyneema SK-75). Your web-site
doesn't mention this product (or did I miss it?). I
noticed that you do sell Dyneema. |
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SK75 fibers have a higher strength than SK65,
the difference is 2-3%. It’s also more expensive,
20-30%. In previous years all white lines were SK65
and the colour coated lines were SK75.
From 2004 on, we got rid of the SK65/SK75
terminology.
The reason: For 90% of the customers difference
between SK65/75 quality does not have any added
value, much more important is the quality of the
coating and the way the lines are braided. What we
do now is deliver 100% DSM Dyneema, braided and
coated in the best possible way to create a thin,
slick and affordable line.
In practice this means that every line is a mixture
of SK65 and SK75 quality. All Peter Lynn products
ordered with lines comes with these Dyneema lines.
They are also sold separately and also referred as
Vector or Vector Quad Pro lines. The pre-cut lines
are sleeved and sewn ready to fly.
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Replacing
the spars on a
C-Quad? |
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To replace the pivoting T-Joint
remove the leading edge.
No sewing is needed to
replace the leading edge. Use a sharp pointy
instrument like a darning needle to give slack to
all the knots in the bridle lines that connect to
the leading edge
(keep the bridle intact).
On one of the wing tips
there is a little opening or small slit in the black
sleeve material (approx. 4cm up from the end) to
remove the Leading Edge (LE). Most of the openings
are located on the right tips when facing the kite
from a flying position.
With a little pushing and shoving you can work the
end of the fiber (glass/carbon) spar to this slit
and remove the whole thing bit by bit from the
sleeve. (Beware of carbon fiber splinters while
doing this). [Tip: If
you have a long enough piece left over, you could
possibly use this as a spare rib spar.]
With the openings next to the connectors, cut the
leading edges in pieces for easy
removing of the leading edge.
Replace the leading edge by putting the new LE in
the opening on the tip. Replace any pivoting
T-Joints if required. When feeding the leading edge
spar through, don't forget to feed it through the
pivoting T-Joint connectors.
A new spar will be 'oversized'. Trim the end off
using a hack saw and flip it in.
For C-Quad specifications, see below.
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C-Quad
Flat Area |
Span
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Weight
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Diameter
When
Kite In Bag
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Spine Spars |
Leading Edge Spars |
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Diameter |
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350 |
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2 x ?m
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380 |
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2 x
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4.1m |
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350 |
580 |
95 |
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2 x
1.10m |
2 x
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3.9mm |
5.1m |
3.9mm |
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440 |
680 |
95 |
4 |
2 x
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2 x
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3.9mm |
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520 |
950 |
95 |
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2 x 1.62m |
2 x
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3.9mm |
6.2m |
3.9mm |
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8.5 |
620 |
1300 |
100 |
5 |
3
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2 x ?m |
3.9mm |
7.0m |
4.4mm |
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Note: All the spare rods
are oversized; they will need to be
trimmed to the right length |
We also sell a 4mm x 40mm Brass
connector or ferrel that can be used to
temporary fix (depending on the break) a spar.
The part number is PVM04040.
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I am an avid
downhill skier and am interested in trying Kite
Skiing. I am an expert skier, but have no
experience with Kite Sailing or other wind
sports.
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Because you're an
accomplished skier, you've got a great head start
both with equipment and skill. All we have to do is
give you some basic wind knowledge and get you
started on the kiting. What we should do is find out
what equipment you' already have, and we'll fill in
the details of what you'll need. The best time to
learn to kite sail is anytime there is wind.
The Traction kiting which encompasses kite skiing,
kite snowboarding, kite buggying, kite surfing, is
90% flying the kite. Practicing off season is one of
the best ways to learn as you can really focus on
the kite. You won't get dragged down wind because
you'll be able to walk and fly anywhere you like.
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In the
May and
June issues of the Peter Lynn monthly news
letter, there was mention of an 650km expedition
using Guerilla-IIs. As I understand, G-IIs are
typically for water use. How did the team come
to use water relaunchables over traditional ram
air foils.
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They have used G-IIs
over Ram Airs for 2 main reasons:
1 - Power control - depower is very important in
gusty conditions
2 - Much MUCH better upwind performance - which Ben
Deacon has done A LOT of testing with various kite
designs.
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You carry both
Dyneema (Kilograms) and Q-Powerline (Pounds)
kite line. Of the
line strengths you
regularly stock, how do they compare?
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Most of the regularly
stock lines are highlighted.
The Dyneema is pre-cut
and sleeved according to the table below. The
Q-PowerLine is cut to length.
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When I
unwind my lines off the
kite bar before I go riding, the lines have so
many twists. I spend so much time untwisting and
not riding. It's very frustrating.
Do you sell lines
that don't twist?
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Here's a topic that
deservers some attention.
As a
new rider, it all comes down to technique. There are
different techniques for different set ups. How
stiff are your lines and are you using a kite bar or
handles?
Notes:
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The stiffer/thicker the line, the more likely
they are to get twists.
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If you wind in a circular motion twisting will
occur.
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Winding lines on a
Kite Bar
Because you're winding over the ends of the bar,
this technique is simpler than winding on handles.
Gather all the lines together at the bar end and
start wrapping back and forth from one side of the
bar to the other. As mentioned above if you wind in
a constant circular motion, you will put twists in
the lines as you wind them on the bar. Unless you
unwind in exactly the same way, your lines will
likely get twisted. Instead of the circular motion,
criss-cross the winding in a figure eight
pattern across the bar. Every so often you can even
put a lock loop on one or both ends of the bar and
especially at the very end of the lines closest to
the kite. This should reduce most of the twisting.
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Winding lines on a
pair of Kite Handles
As
this is difficult to explain, we should probably
include some pictures. But bare with us for a while
until we have some images. We hope to eventually
have a video for this one.
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Rebbles come in the
following sizes 2.5, 3.5, 5.0, and 6.5 square
meters. On the right side of the kite when the
leading open edge is facing upward, the size is
printed in the Rebble logo. 3.5 square meters means
the kite when lying flat on the ground is 3.5 square
meters.
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History of
Traction Kiting (This is probably one of the
best pieces)? |
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http://www.peterlynnkites.com/web/1archive/pages/tractionhistory.htm |
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