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Frequently Asked Questions


Frequently Asked Questions

Kites
Kiting
Peter Lynn Scorpion kite launch - I have a Peter Lynn Scorpion and have kite collapsing during my launches.
  • Make sure the air inlets are not stuck behind the webbing inside
  • Proper pre-inflation: this means as much as air in the kite before launch, this is REALLY important
  • Try ‘braking’ the kite while launching if it launches to fast. With braking we mean pull in the bar to stall the kite a little bit and when it wants to (tip/center) collapse stall the kite. This will prevent the collapsing. After that slowly let bar go and the kite will start climbing up in the air again. Let it go slowly and if it tends to collapse again, pull the bar. However with enough pre-inflation this process should be a lot easier and their should almost be no need in stalling the kite.
  • If the break lines are too tight with under inflated kite, the kite might center collapse. If this is the case, loosen the break lines and walk forward, but not too fast and far that the tips want to collapse
  • Push all the air to the tips before launch to make them stable
  • Stable tips are really important during launch
Peter Lynn Twin Skins not inflating fully - I have a new Peter Lynn Venom II/Scorpion and have found the launching difficult

There have been a small number of instances where the Peter Lynn Twin Skins (Venom-II and Scorpion) kites were difficult to launch due to under inflation. In some cases these Twin Skin kites would not fly properly.

What could have happened is that the valves of the kite have become stuck behind the 1st webbing (webbing closest to the leading edge). The webbing will cut off the air intakes and almost no air can get in the kite. If the kite doesn’t fly properly right out of the bag due to under inflation, please make sure all the 5 air intakes are not stuck behind the webbing, and everything will be ok again.

The first photo below shows the correct position of the air intakes.
Correct Air Intake position

Correct Position above

The next photo below shows the incorrect position of the air intakes.
Wrong Air Intake position

Incorrect Position above

The above photos are taken from inside the kite, through the deflate zipper with the kite on its back - the way like you would launch the kite from the beach. The middle air intake is easily done by going with your hand through the deflate zipper, the others you will have to do them from outside the kite.

On behalf of our suppliers, please accept our apologies for the inconvenience caused by this.


New Kite - Line Lengths - I recently purchase a new Pepper and the kite flew to one side.
Please read the Instruction and Safety Manual that came with your kite. For a four line set, always make sure both top lines are equal, and both rear lines are equal. Make sure the difference between top and rear lines is no more than two centimeters. Please do not fly any four line kite without the above line setup or you will not have full control. The kite, or other object in the area of the kite could become damaged without full control of the kite. From our experience we have found that all sleeved and knotted line sets need an adjustment before flying the kite.
Repairing a Twin Skin - I own a Peter Lynn Arc 840 (old version, 5 years old) and I got a tear in the Chikara at the front right connection. It is just the fabric which is torn. The internal lines are in good shape so I just need a patch.
From the Arc manual...

"The Arc is constructed with Chikara, a light weight, hi-tenacity rip stop nylon with a special water repellant coating. Inside the kite you will find low stretch Dyneema reinforcing lines and gauze vents in the tips of each profile to provide evenly distributed inflation. The tips are reinforced with EXEL-strong carbon fibre tubes in Cordura sleeves.

Construction and Repairs All panels are taped and sewn for strength and water proofing. Line loads are taken into the Arc via Dyneema cording sewn to the inner surfaces of the upper and lower skins. For spanwise strength there is a 300 kgm cord sewn from tip to tip. For small puncture type holes, clear mylar repair film works very well and is always colour matched. For repairing structural damage open the trailing edge (unpick the sewing thread without damaging the ripstop sailcloth), stick fabric patches on using double sided adhesive tape and then over sew. The tape's adhesive layer improves joint strength and seals the stitching. Always use new tape to stick the trailing edge before re-sewing but it isn't necessary to also remove any old tape that is still in place.."


Tensylon Line - Can the Tensylon Line you sell be made in a tube form?
The simple answer is no.

It is important to understand what Tensylon is. Tensylon is made from ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene. Spectra and Dyneema are also made from ultra-high weight polyethylene, however the polyethylene used in Tenyslon is about 100 to 1000 times higher than that used for Dyneema and Spectra. The reason there is a range is because the polyethylene in it’s raw form is a powder and the chemical reaction that makes it generates a range of molecular weight particles. This powder is then subjected to extreme pressures and tightly controlled temperatures as it is passed through rollers to make a very thin sheet that is then slit to form fibers and then the fibers are woven into what you see. If the temperature is raised even slightly beyond the threshold the polyethylene drops in molecular weight and becomes closer to Dyneema and Spectra in abraision resistance and strength and if you continue to raise the temperature it becomes normal polyethylene. If you try to make it in a tube there are a number of problems: the greatest being how do you apply sufficient pressure while making a tube form and secondly if you could how do you keep the temperature throughout the material at the critical point so that the molecules bond together without turning into standard polyethylene.


Spars - Cutting, Attaching, Connecting - Tips for designing your kite frame. I recently purchased a pair of single piece spars so that I can use the folding spars when I'm on vacation with my Twin Skins or as a backup. How can I cut the spars to the right length?
Spars - Cutting

Cutting can be done by using a fine toothed saw, most commonly a metal saw. To avoid splitting it is preferred to tape (masking tape) the spar before cutting. Be careful with the carbon dust as it can damage electric equipment.

Spars - Attaching

Connectors and fittings can be glued on the carbon spar. For plastic connectors we recommend cyanoacrylatic glue, also know as superglue or crazy glue. For mounting aluminum and brass connectors, two-component epoxy glue is the strongest and best to use. Even electricians tape works very well to fix a joint and this make s it easy to replace the connector

Spars - Connecting

The best way to connect spars is the combination between an outside ferrule (brass or aluminum) and inside ferrule (RCF or RF). If this is not possible - use the outside ferrule. Please remember that a connection will always be the weak link in the kite frame; we prefer to use spars without connections.


Spar Length Comparisons of Compact sticks used with Twin Skins (per spec)

One piece replacement spars come in 100/125/150cm lengths. These are the Exel carbonfibre tube Strong 10 9.9mm outer/7.5mm inner diameter from the parts list. The vertical grey bars are the stock 1 piece spar sets that we have. Choose the spar length to the right of your kite. For example, if you need a one piece compact stick replacement spar for a Phantom 12m (116cm), order a 125cm spar and cut it to fit the spar pocket. Updated 2006.Mar.27

For complete kite specifications, check their respective links

Kite/Spar Length (cm) 73 81 82 83 90 91 93 95 97 99 100 102 105.5 107 109 110 111 116 118.7 119.5 120 121.5 125 127 127.5 129 130 132 140 150 150
Venom 8     85                                                        
Venom 10             93                                          
Venom 13                       105.5                                
Venom 16                                   118.5     121.5?              
Venom 19                                                   131.5    
      2+18.5*                 2+37.5           3+16.5               3+29.5    
  Spar Length appro.x formula ((n*42)-(n*8))+extra, where n=number of full length 42cm spar pieces, ie. 105.5=((2*42)-(2*8))+37.5, the reason to subtract the (n*8) is you lose 5cm on the non-sleeved end and 3cm on the sleeved end, a total of 8cm.  
Phantom 6   81                                                    
Phantom 9                   99                                    
Phantom 12                                 116                      
Phantom 15                                               129        
Phantom 18                                                     140  
Guerilla-II 9 73                                                      
Guerilla-II 11     82                                                  
Guerilla-II 13         90                                              
Guerilla-II 15                 97                                      
Guerilla-II 18                                     119.5                  
Guerilla-II 22                                             127.5          
Bomba 8.5       83                                                
Bomba 10.5           91                                            
Bomba 13                     102                                  
Bomba 15                               111                        
Bomba 17                                 116                      
Bomba 20                                           127            

Early Arcs (Standard, F-Arc, Guerilla) were designed with one piece full length spars. As a replacement, you can either use a full length cut spars or an equivalent folding spar and cut to size. It's best to order a bit longer than you need and cut to fit your pocket as it may have stretched slightly. Cut it using a hack saw and sand to finish the roughness. Make sure to use the rubber caps on the ends to protect the spar ends with the fabric.

Guerilla 10                           107                                  
Guerilla 13                                                 130      
Guerilla 15                                                     140  
Guerilla 18                                                       150
F-Arc 1200                           109                            
F-Arc 1600                                       120                
S-Arc 460     82                                                  
S-Arc 460 Projected Area 3.3m2    
S-Arc 630               95                                        
S-Arc 630 Projected Area 4.5m2    
S-Arc 840                             110                          
S-Arc 840 Projected Area 6.0m2    
S-Arc 1120                                           127            
S-Arc 1120 Projected Area 8.0m2    
S-Arc 1510                                           127            
S-Arc 1510 Projected Area 11.0m2    
I've used foils for a long time and would like to know how the sizes compare to Peter Lynn Twin Skins (TS).

Foils traditionally perform differently than TSs. You'll need a larger TS than a foil, but the depowerability of the TS will give it a larger window. In the past you may have needed 4-5 foils to cover the wind ranges. With the depowerability of the TSs, you may only need 3 TSs.

Foil Size Equivalent Twin Skin Size
2-3 m2 Phantom 6 / Guerilla-II 9
4-5.5 m2 Phantom 12 / Guerilla-II 11-13
5.5-8 m2 Phantom 15 / Guerilla-II 15
Note: most popular size for winter, also much of this comparison depends on riders ability, and terrain

Comparing LEIs to Venoms on the low end of the wind range (source)

Venom size LEI equivalent
Venom 19 Inflatable 16-17
Venom 16 Inflatable 14
Venom 13 Inflatable 11-11.5
Venom 10 Inflatable 8-9

I'm looking for a new supplier of C-line (Dyneema SK-75). Your web-site doesn't mention this product (or did I miss it?). I noticed that you do sell Dyneema.

SK75 fibers have a higher strength than SK65, the difference is 2-3%. It’s also more expensive, 20-30%. In previous years all white lines were SK65 and the colour coated lines were SK75.

From 2004 on, we got rid of the SK65/SK75 terminology.

The reason: For 90% of the customers difference between SK65/75 quality does not have any added value, much more important is the quality of the coating and the way the lines are braided. What we do now is deliver 100% DSM Dyneema, braided and coated in the best possible way to create a thin, slick and affordable line.

In practice this means that every line is a mixture of SK65 and SK75 quality. All Peter Lynn products ordered with lines comes with these Dyneema lines. They are also sold separately and also referred as Vector or Vector Quad Pro lines. The pre-cut lines are sleeved and sewn ready to fly.


Replacing the spars on a C-Quad?

To replace the pivoting T-Joint remove the leading edge.

No sewing is needed to replace the leading edge. Use a sharp pointy instrument like a darning needle to give slack to all the knots in the bridle lines that connect to the leading edge (keep the bridle intact).

On one of the wing tips there is a little opening or small slit in the black sleeve material (approx. 4cm up from the end) to remove the Leading Edge (LE). Most of the openings are located on the right tips when facing the kite from a flying position.

With a little pushing and shoving you can work the end of the fiber (glass/carbon) spar to this slit and remove the whole thing bit by bit from the sleeve. (Beware of carbon fiber splinters while doing this). [Tip: If you have a long enough piece left over, you could possibly use this as a spare rib spar.]

With the openings next to the connectors, cut the leading edges in pieces for easy removing of the leading edge.
 
Replace the leading edge by putting the new LE in the opening on the tip. Replace any pivoting T-Joints if required. When feeding the leading edge spar through, don't forget to feed it through the pivoting T-Joint connectors.
 
A new spar will be 'oversized'. Trim the end off using a hack saw and flip it in.

For C-Quad specifications, see below.

C-Quad

Flat Area

Span

 (cm)

Weight

(grams)

Diameter

When

Kite In Bag

(cm)

Spine Spars Leading Edge Spars

#

Length Diameter Length Diameter
1.4 245 350 75 2 2 x ?m   3.9mm   4.4mm
2.2 284 380 75 3 2 x 1.10m 1 x 1.30m 3.9mm 4.1m 3.9mm
3.2 350 580 95 4 2 x 1.10m 2 x 1.40m 3.9mm 5.1m 3.9mm
4.2 440 680 95 4 2 x 1.32m 2 x 1.70m 3.9mm 5.1m 3.9mm
6.3 520 950 95 4 2 x 1.62m 2 x 2.00m 3.9mm 6.2m 3.9mm
8.5 620 1300 100 5 3 x ?m 2 x ?m 3.9mm 7.0m 4.4mm
Note: All the spare rods are oversized; they will need to be trimmed to the right length

We also sell a 4mm x 40mm Brass connector or ferrel that can be used to temporary fix (depending on the break) a spar. The part number is PVM04040.


I am an avid downhill skier and am interested in trying Kite Skiing. I am an expert skier, but have no experience with Kite Sailing or other wind sports.
Because you're an accomplished skier, you've got a great head start both with equipment and skill. All we have to do is give you some basic wind knowledge and get you started on the kiting. What we should do is find out what equipment you' already have, and we'll fill in the details of what you'll need. The best time to learn to kite sail is anytime there is wind. The Traction kiting which encompasses kite skiing, kite snowboarding, kite buggying, kite surfing, is 90% flying the kite. Practicing off season is one of the best ways to learn as you can really focus on the kite. You won't get dragged down wind because you'll be able to walk and fly anywhere you like.
In the May and June issues of the Peter Lynn monthly news letter, there was mention of an 650km expedition using Guerilla-IIs. As I understand, G-IIs are typically for water use. How did the team come to use water relaunchables over traditional ram air foils.
They have used G-IIs over Ram Airs for 2 main reasons:
1 - Power control - depower is very important in gusty conditions
2 - Much MUCH better upwind performance - which Ben Deacon has done A LOT of testing with various kite designs.

You carry both Dyneema (Kilograms) and Q-Powerline (Pounds) kite line. Of the line strengths you regularly stock, how do they compare?
Most of the regularly stock lines are highlighted.

The Dyneema is pre-cut and sleeved according to the table below. The Q-PowerLine is cut to length.

20/25m
75.00
165.35
66/82ft
 
80.00
176.37
 
 
85.00
187.39
 
 
90.00
198.42
 
 
95.00
209.44
 
 
100.00
220.46
 
 
105.00
231.49
 
20/25m
110.00
242.51
66/82ft
 
115.00
253.53
 
 
120.00
264.55
 
 
125.00
275.58
 
 
130.00
286.60
 
 
135.00
297.62
 
 
140.00
308.65
 
 
145.00
319.67
 
 
150.00
330.69
 
 
155.00
341.72
 
 
160.00
352.74
 
 
165.00
363.76
 
20/25/30m
170.00
374.79
66/82/99ft
 
175.00
385.81
 
 
180.00
396.83
 
 
185.00
407.85
 
 
190.00
418.88
 
 
195.00
429.90
 
 
200.00
440.92
 
 
205.00
451.95
 
30m
210.00
462.97
 
 
215.00
473.99
 
 
220.00
485.02
 
 
225.00
496.04
 
 
230.00
507.06
 
 
235.00
518.09
 
 
240.00
529.11
 
 
245.00
540.13
 
 
250.00
551.16
 
 
255.00
562.18
 
 
260.00
573.20
 
 
265.00
584.22
 
27m
270.00
595.25
89ft
 
275.00
606.27
 
 
280.00
617.29
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


When I unwind my lines off the kite bar before I go riding, the lines have so many twists. I spend so much time untwisting and not riding. It's very frustrating. Do you sell lines that don't twist?

Here's a topic that deservers some attention.

As a new rider, it all comes down to technique. There are different techniques for different set ups. How stiff are your lines and are you using a kite bar or handles?

Notes:

  1. The stiffer/thicker the line, the more likely they are to get twists.

  2. If you wind in a circular motion twisting will occur.

Winding lines on a Kite Bar

Because you're winding over the ends of the bar, this technique is simpler than winding on handles. Gather all the lines together at the bar end and start wrapping back and forth from one side of the bar to the other. As mentioned above if you wind in a constant circular motion, you will put twists in the lines as you wind them on the bar. Unless you unwind in exactly the same way, your lines will likely get twisted. Instead of the circular motion, criss-cross the winding in a figure eight  pattern across the bar. Every so often you can even put a lock loop on one or both ends of the bar and especially at the very end of the lines closest to the kite. This should reduce most of the twisting.

Winding lines on a pair of Kite Handles

As this is difficult to explain, we should probably include some pictures. But bare with us for a while until we have some images. We hope to eventually have a video for this one.


Is there somewhere on the Rebble kite that I can see the size?

Rebbles come in the following sizes 2.5, 3.5, 5.0, and 6.5 square meters. On the right side of the kite when the leading open edge is facing upward, the size is printed in the Rebble logo. 3.5 square meters means the kite when lying flat on the ground is 3.5 square meters.


History of Traction Kiting (This is probably one of the best pieces)?
http://www.peterlynnkites.com/web/1archive/pages/tractionhistory.htm

 
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